Morroblivion

someone did shortsword already- http://tesrenewal.com/forums/skyrim/skywind-development-foru...

That's actually sort of a rule here. If you start a weapon, you should make the whole set. Consistency and such.

Yeah, I would like to point out one important thing. Remember, that some of the weapons are held differently in Skyrim. For example if you compare two handed axes, or lets say hammers. You probably will have to make longer shafts. Maybe a good idea is to import skyrims weapons and see how they fit, if the difference is not that big, or for example it occurs on the blade, then probably you can leave it be, but you want your weapons to be held well and for that you need to adjust them to Skyrims animations - hence - compare it to skyrims weapons.

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#1 feels better, as I feel the dipping proportions of the handle with the thicker blade seems a little wonky in the second example. Also if I might throw a suggestion about how the thicker, bottom part of the blade joins the rest of it - refer to plasmax' rendition of the shortsword to see how he did it so that there may be a bit of consistency between the style of the Daedric weapons. 

 

Good start so far! :)

 

At first I didn't think these weapons would need a redesign, but I think a small one could be in order. That hilt is not something either a man or Dremora would like to hold. I've made a quick mockup of the desired shape:



Sorry I didn't post it earlier, but somehow this thread missed my attention. If you could get it to that shape it would be awesome - keeps the feel of the original, while being ergonomically viable, which is important with more realistic Skyrim's animations in comparison to Morrowind.

What you want to keep in mind is that all two handed swords in Morrowind were named claymore, but only one was resembling it (the steel one). I really wouldn't go for making all swords look like proper Scottish claymores, especially since we're probably renaming them to simply greatswords anyway. Another thing you want to avoid is the awful maneur Skyrim swords had - the paddle look. They'd have massive, very broad and very thick blades, which looked silly compared to very small and thin handles (which couldn't be bigger since the character's hands are of realistic size).

Make the handle thicker, but leave the blade as it is. I assure you, I don't want to kill fantasy by pushing everything to be realistic, but I want to go slightly more viable compared to Morrowind, and much more compared to Skyrim. Weapons can still look crazy and awesome while remaining something that could actually be used in combat.

I prefer the broad blades on these swords, but I'm glad someone mentioned the practicality of the hilt!  That thing is almost as dangerous to its wielder.  It would be good to get rid of the two razors on this.  Maybe Ieave edge on the done one but on rest I hope we get a good baIance between practicaI and the originaI.

 

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But yeah, no need for gibberish, we can write some neat stuff with meaning in there.

They wouldn't. It's a twohander. Those spikes are called ricasso, and they're an additional crossguard in case the user would like to put one hand over the main crossguard for better manouverability.

Vast majority of two handed swords had that. And to really see how it works visually you should look at the whole weapon.

You really don't have to teach art director and a member of HEMA about sword designs Sasquatch. I don't like to wave my stuff around, but please drop it here. Trust me on that decision. I don't want this to turn into another huge war thread about a stupid detail of one model.

Imo, both the blade and the hilt could have a bit more girth to it (But we're talking some more redisign of the original, not sure if you're willing to do that).
Enter epic paint sk1llz (blade's a bit messed up) below.
Above is me-version, below is original.

I don't intend to instigate a "war" by including my opinions and some doctored images.  The link was included for those who are interested and to show I've read up on this topic.  I also agree with DETESRP about the width of sword.  It just isnt as satisfying, visually.  The sword looks weak so thin.

I'm not sure if it's an optical illusion created by the thin width or not, but the greatswords from Morrowind seem to be a lot longer than those from Skyrim.  Like ground clipping length.

do not need to acute angles         

Good work so far.  Blade length needs to be at least double the handle length from that second crossguard up.  I think Lavargs silhouette looks good, but this is a matter of sacrificing some of the original look for practicality.

Yeah, the blade could use a bit more wideness. Also the tip could have a bit more interesting shape. I think of two possibilities, up to you to choose.

Left one with a thickening to feel more like a weapon suited for hacking, or a stabby needle on the right.

You definetly can, and I know at least that stabbing is what they've been mainly used for in history ;) (waiting for another "duh, we're not recreating history, dumbass" comment)

ouch, right in the balls

Sancez wrote:

We need a balls-cutting fatality for Skywind.

One of the Greatsword kill cams is impalement through the midsection.  Probably wouldn't take much editing to adjust it to that.

I realize that I'm terribly late with this, but the claymore design just doesn't look true to the original to me, and I'll try to make some suggestions on how it could be made more in line with the original design.

I very much support the idea of adding a ricasso, but it just doesn't feel right if you simply put the two crossguards further apart without modification. To me the defining part of the original Morrowind claymore is the crossguard structure:

Note the two concentric ellipses with the same curvature that define the neighbouring edges of the two crossguards. This element unites the two crossguards, makes them one structure. Here is a rough layout for adapting this approach for the ricasso case, with the two crossguards futher apart:

And this basic shape could be further refined into something along these lines:

Bonus round: more functional greater crossguard. The curvature here is off (this was drawn without the guide ellipses), hence the two crossguards do not feel like a united whole:

I'd love to hear any input on this from the art directors, although I'm probably too late for this model anyway.

Also, is concept art at this level wanted for any Skywind props? I might be able to contribute such sketches if anyone's interested.

When talking about Daedric weapons I think we need to throw the concept of practicality out the window. It is designed to look cool not to look 100% practicle. all i've been seeing is "that doesn't look practicle enough". So what? I am glad Plasmax decided to leave the bottom of the crossguard on the shortsword sharpened.